IRC Archive for channel #xwiki on 03 April 2009

sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:01): Works for me
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:01): With the original xar
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 00:02): ok.  Let me package it and try again
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:02): Why don't you use the original, you will be able to uncheck the excluded files later
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 00:05): that works! I didn't know that was possible. Thanks again.
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 00:09): That worked.  Thanks for your help today sdumitriu
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:18): Lots of people going to sleep...
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:36): anthony_: Are you still at JB Hunt?
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:46): sdumitriu: Yes. Thanks for the remarks on the data model.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:46): sdumitriu: I am finishing up an internship there.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:47): OK, I was just checking to see if you will indeed have the whole summer for GSoC
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:48): sdumitriu: Ah, yes. Planning on it. :P I will probably have some small leaves (family, short "vacations", etc.), but mainly weekend things.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:50): No problem
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:53): Is there any way I could find out more information about XWiki's Date datatype? 
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:53): It's a java Date object
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:53): (inside)
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:54): Ahhh, I see. Thanks a lot. I didn't know if it could do date and time or just date. Java's Date is milliseconds since Epoch time, right?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:54): Yes
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:54): Also, what is XWiki's Number datatype?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:55): In the database it gets stored as the database's native datetime format
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:55): Floating point and integers?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:55): Number has several types
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:56): I'm sorry. I have to go for now. I'll be back on in about 15-20 minutes, if you're still around.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:56): Depending which type you select, you get one of Integer, Long, Float or Double
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 00:56): Ok, that's very good.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:57): http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/platform/core/trunk/xwiki-core/src/main/java/com/xpn/xwiki/objects/classes/ is the best place to look at
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:57): Bye anthony_
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 00:57): I'll probably be around, with a small break (relocate)
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:37): sdumitriu: Were my UI mockups alright for now, or should I make them more detailed before the submission deadline tomorrow? I'm working on modifying the data model now.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:37): I know the UIs were extremely simple
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:37): Yes
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:37): They are OK
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:38): Thank you
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:50): Does the XWiki TextArea datatype allow formatted text, or is it still just plaintext?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:51): It's full wiki text that can have any content the main content has
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:52): Hm, bad wroding, I must go to sleep soon
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:52): wording
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:53): lol -- thanks
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:53): I think I understand it.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:53): What time is it for you?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:53): 1:53 AM
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:54): Wow. It's not even dinner time for me. :)
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:54): I'm going to update my Data Model tonight. However, it won't send a notification to the GSoC website (since I didn't change my GSoC application directly). Will this be okay?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:55): Yes
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:55): Thank you
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 01:56): I'm modifying it to use as many native datatypes as possible. Please let me know sometime if it will be alright.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 01:57): Sure
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:27): Would it be alright to use a Date property to store a duration? In Java, it should be alright (where the long just represents milliseconds in the duration), but would it be incompatible with any database functionality?
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:28): Would it make sense to use (date) - (epoch time) to hold the duration? January 2, 1970 00:00:00 would represent one day, for example.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 02:28): It would be valid, but I don't know if it would be good
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:29): Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:29): I don't need anything more specific than seconds. How about a Number field that represents the number of seconds in the duration?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 02:30): Yes, that would also work
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 02:30): I don't remember what date arithmetic functions does SQL provide
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 02:30): Do you know?
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:30): No, I don't
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 02:31): You can put both ideas in there, to be decided
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:31): It looks like a Java long would be able to hold 2.9E11 years. :)
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 02:32): Ok, I will do that.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:05): sdumitriu: I have updated my data model. Unless I get some midnight inspiration, I believe I am finished modifying my application. Thanks for your help.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:06): OK Anthony
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:06): I will look at it now
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:06): Thank you.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:13): OK, looks good
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:13): Thank you.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:15): What is the preferred way to store user preferences for individual applications? Can the Context class be used, or does it not hold data across sessions?
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:16): (feel free to go to sleep if you need to :P  I'm just curious)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:16): No, it doesn't
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:16): Until now we've been adding fields to the XWiki.XWikiPreferences document (and xclass)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:17): But I want to introduce a new class for storing application preferences
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:18): That would be nice, but the XWikiPreferences looks like it would work. I don't know how I didn't find that earlier.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:18): The good thing about it is that we have a standard API to query for preferences
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:19): Is it similar to a hashtable's put(key,value) and get(key), or more complex?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:19): Just for get
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:19): Cool
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:19): How are preferences declared/set?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:19): K, going now
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:20): I really must sleep
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 03:20): Bye
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:20): lol - I understand.
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:20): Thanks
anthony_ - (03/04/2009 03:20): Bye
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asyd - (03/04/2009 09:41): hello there
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 09:45): hi asyd
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 09:45): what's up?
asyd - (03/04/2009 09:46): few hours before the week end!
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 09:47): few hours before GSOC deadline ;)
asyd - (03/04/2009 09:47): hehe
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 09:47): and Google is not extending the application period, this time
asyd - (03/04/2009 09:47): so, got a lot of proposals?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 09:48): nope, only one ;)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 09:49): and I'm still working on it
asyd - (03/04/2009 09:49): ah? I'm surprise, there are lot of people here talking about gsoc
marta_ - (03/04/2009 10:25): asyd: xwiki got 45 student applications so far (i think that's what you were asking about)
asyd - (03/04/2009 10:25): ok!
asyd - (03/04/2009 10:25): yeah indeed
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 10:27): asyd, what are u using XWiki for?
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asyd - (03/04/2009 10:28): alexmaru: I use a *lot* the programming part of xwiki
asyd - (03/04/2009 10:28): I wrote a (very) small DMS system, and a CMDB one (something to manage servers)
asyd - (03/04/2009 10:28): my xwiki querys some servers via ssh, snmp.. :)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 10:29): asyd, that's very interesting
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 10:29): :)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 10:29): so, indeed, with XWiki you can do a lot of things
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sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:30): vmassol: Isn't the plaintext renderer available?
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:30): sdumitriu: thomas wrote one a few days ago yes
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:30): You should list it also
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:30): ok yes, I need to know what it does first :)
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:30): will ask thomas
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:31): thanks
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vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:32): sdumitriu: I've added it without details for now thanks
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tuska - (03/04/2009 11:33): vmassol: I will add some
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:33): tuska == thomas mortagne? :)
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:33): yep it's him!
tuska - (03/04/2009 11:34): did not seen chat was using tuska
tuska - (03/04/2009 11:34): fixing it
tmortagne - (03/04/2009 11:34): better now
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:40): hmm having troubel with xeclipse when someone locks a page
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 11:40): hello all
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:43): Hi alexmaru
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:46): florinciu: You should register your nick
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:47): vmassol: you too
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 11:47): I'm thinking about the pros and cons of using Adobe AIR for developing the widget
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 11:49): one of the cons is that the user has to install the Adobe Air runtime
vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:49): sdumitriu: what does this buy me (apart from direct talk with someone)?
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vmassol - (03/04/2009 11:50): http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:50): alexmaru: and the fact that the technology is still quite young for such purposes
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tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:50): you have to apply some hackish tricks to make it look like a widget
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:51): vmassol: Direct talk with someone
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 11:51): tudor_f: some important names use this technology
tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:51): basically trendsetters
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:51): And the fact that you can kick out impersonators
tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:52): if you are concerned about platform reach, the good news is Adobe packs it up with Reader 9
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 11:52): I don't use Adobe Reader ;)
tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:53): and as far as i noticed those big names don't use AIR for widgets, but for desktop-izing web apps
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 11:53): tudor_f: that's right
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tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:54): just like Adobe does for example in order to popularise it's pdf service
tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:55): well, if you are to consider Google Desktop vs Adobe Air, it's 28MB vs 17MB download as far as i remember
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tudor_f - (03/04/2009 11:56): it's a matter of personal choice what the user likes
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:56): alexmaru: No AIR
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:56): You can send Ludo to me if he insists
glerouge - (03/04/2009 11:56): I suggested looking at Adobe AIR t odo something similar to Socialtext Desktop for XWiki, I thought it fitted in the gadget GSoC application
glerouge - (03/04/2009 11:57): sdumitriu: I knew you didn't like it but I didn't recall the reasoning
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:58): It's not open source :p
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 11:59): Besides, there are enough widgets to be developed
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:00): If there's time, OK to do it, but not as a priority
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:00): sdumitriu: you used Java before it was Open-Source yet you were able to write Open-Source code ;)
asyd - (03/04/2009 12:01): java was more or less always "opensource", not the jvm though. but it's different :)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:01): Yes, java was standardized, and there were FS JVMs
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:02): is there any other framework that allows cross-platform application creation ?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:02): Anyway, I prefer JavaFX
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:02): Yes, JavaFX
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:03): does it come with Sun Java's installer now ?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:03): No
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 12:04): brb
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 12:04): in 1 hour
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 12:04): :p
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:04): ok
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:04): actually I'm probably mixing 2 proejcts ideas into 1 : getting wiki data in gadgets on one side, wiki desktop client on the other
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:05): I think the first one is nice to have while the 2nd has more potential with business users
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:05): Yes, for a rich client a completely different project is needed
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:05): Taking its own time
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sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:06): And again, for this use case I prefer a standalone build of Mozilla integrated with Google Gears and with an XWiki-centered UI
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:09): which would be cross-platform indeed... would it have access to notification bubbles or something like that ?
lukmanus - (03/04/2009 12:09): yes something like that
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:10): glerouge: FF 3 seems to know how to make notifications
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:11): On mac it was even integrated with growl
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:11): indeed
glerouge - (03/04/2009 12:12): I'll keep that in mind for a future project, thanks sergiu
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vmassol - (03/04/2009 12:15): sdumitriu: when you have time would be good to move the localization page you had created into the new modules space, wdyt?
vmassol - (03/04/2009 12:16): for information thomas is moving the cache doc there too
vmassol - (03/04/2009 12:16): for localization we still need a user page for it of course too, I'm just talking about developer doc here
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:16): What page?
vmassol - (03/04/2009 12:16): let me try to find it
lukmanus - (03/04/2009 12:17): i have to go play dota
lukmanus - (03/04/2009 12:17): bye bye
vmassol - (03/04/2009 12:17): sdumitriu: here http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Plugins/LocalizationPlugin
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 12:19): vmassol: OK
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:11): I'm back...
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:12): So the conclusion is, maybe we develop a desktop application that looks like a widget in AIR?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:14): If there's time, with no priority
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:15): or maybe it's better to develop something much more complex in AIR, with many features... XE on desktop?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:19): Yes, the right target for a rich client app is to have something between XEclipse and the normal browser experience
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:19): But again, I don't think that AIR is the right platform for that
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:22): what do you think is the right platform?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:23): Custom Mozilla build
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:23): Maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Prism
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:26): interesting, but I guess it's too complex for a GSOC project
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:27): For the moment, yes
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:27): I'd wait until Prism gets a bit less Beta
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:28): But otherwise, it shouldn't be complicated
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:28): It's just a browser
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:29): it depends. What features whould you want in this rich client?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:29): all the features from XE, but the feeling that you are in a desktop application?
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:34): you create that feeling by adding new features. Otherwize it's still a browser running a thin client.
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:42): or maybe by structuring the features in a new way, with a user interface that gives the feeling of a desktop application
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:44): sdumitriu: what do you think?
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:44): If you don't take advantage of the OS features then there is no need of creating an rich client. A classic web client is more flexible.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:44): florinciu: I don't agree
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:45): the aim of a desktop app wouldn't be to provide the full experience
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:45): the browser is here for that already
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:45): think of it more as a mobile app
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 13:45): yes, but maybe some users "prefer" the looks and feeling of a desktop app
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:45): I think a custom app would help a lot, even if it is just a face over the normal webapp
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:45): exposing a subset of the features
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:45): mostly notification-related ones
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:45): In corporate world, some people are afraid of the web
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:45): nope
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:46): For the corporate world a fully-working IE6 interface is what's needed ;)
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:47): sdumitriu: then that means you add new features.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:47): For the corporate world, management thinks that a fully working IE6 is all that's needed
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:48):  And potentially take advantage of things like: threading, filesystem access, nore flexible networking
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:48): *more
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:48): this is what a rich client means
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:48): Yes
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:48): lol
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:48): we don't need a rich client, we only need a small notification app first
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:48): sure, you can still render the UI like a browser does it
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:48): Custom toolbars, custom menus
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:49): a rich client will be a nightmare to maintain + hard to deploy
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:49): glerouge: Not with XUL
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:49): I'm not sure how socialtet addresses the issue of deploying an external framework + hteir desktop application at big customer sites
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:49): If we were to write our own client, yes
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:50): not that hard to deploy with moder technogies
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:50): you've got security issues too
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:50): And in a corporate world, system maintainance is centralized
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:51): They push all the updates from a central point
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:51): the very fast of having to install a framework such as AIR might be opposed by the IT dept
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:51): for the same reasons you highlighted above + need to limit the technology used internally
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:52): anyway, we're talking about stuff that we won't be working on anytime soon
glerouge - (03/04/2009 13:52): let's focus on answering GSoC applicants questions for now (if you guys still have any)
florinciu - (03/04/2009 13:52): you only need to install the framework just once. But the advantage is that you get updates really easy. (Eg: XWord)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:53): glerouge: That's why I said NO AIR
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:53): And for Mozilla there's no framework
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:53): It's an executable
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 13:59): 48
diana_lungu - (03/04/2009 14:01): i guess until tonight there will be 55
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:02): http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/10/prism/
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:03): it converts a web app into a desktop app
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:03): My point exactly: "But the latter often fit awkwardly into the document-centric interface of web browsers. And they are surrounded with controls–like back and forward buttons and a location bar–that have nothing to do with interacting with the application itself."
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:03): This is exactly why I feel that a Prism application would be good
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:05): yes, but it still looks like a web app
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:05): Not necessarily
florinciu - (03/04/2009 14:05): it's not really a rich client
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:06): We can render without the surrounding UI and replace with custom XUL
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:06): hmmm
florinciu - (03/04/2009 14:06): it's still a thin client
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:06): The Big Bonus: No more browser incompatibilities problems
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:06): that's interesting
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:07): The top toolbar that normally has back, fwd, reload, home, url could be replaced with XWiki buttons
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:07): :)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:07): and it's not much work!
florinciu - (03/04/2009 14:07): you still need to convince the user to install an app(the same case as the brower)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:07): Dashboard, Search, Blog, My profile, etc
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:07): florinciu: We don't convince the user
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:08): We need to convince management
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:08): Management enforces it
florinciu - (03/04/2009 14:08): Did the management used to enforce a broswer, in order to avoid problems?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:09): sdumitriu: I'm thinking about it. I have no idea whether corporate users would find this easier to use than the standard browser app
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:10): it would be a nice experiment to try out, but we need to balance the cost of building & maintaining it + the resistance we can expect from IT depts when the time of deployment would come
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:11): from an user standpoint, having a nice icon on your desktop you click on to access the app might be easier to use than navigating to a URL in your browser - but at the same time users get used to webapps and might find that confusing
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:11): we won't know the actual answer until we try anyway :)
florinciu - (03/04/2009 14:12): glerouge: you can still have an icon on your desktop, even it's a shortcut to an web app ;)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:13): I know, but it doesn't trigger the same user experience if it opens IE6 vs a XWiki-dedicated Prism instance
florinciu - (03/04/2009 14:16): yes
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:18): Prism works only online, but Air work offline too
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:18): No, prism works with Google Gears
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:19): I don't think it's that hard to develop and maintain it
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:22): Prism works with google gears?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:22): aren't this two different approaches to RIA's?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:22): RIAs
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:25): Gears is a JS API that works in browsers
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:26): and for a small RIA, with the functionalities of the widget isn't AIR a better choice?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:26): concerning Xwiki Widget project
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:26): I don't think so
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:27): but how can I do it with Prism?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:27): Each platform already has a widget environment (or more)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:27): Starting a new application just to get a widget seems inefficient to me
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:28): does XP have a widget environment ?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:28): no
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:28): It has google desktop
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:28): Or Opera
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:28): so IE6 users do not have access to a widget environment
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:28): sdumitriu: you have to install those
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:29): OK then, you can make an AIR standalone widget, but after all the others, including FoXWiki
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:29): yes
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:29): it has the minimum priority
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:29): :)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:29): Still 48
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:29): :P
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:30): Come on, send your applications!
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:30): yes, it would be interesting to see some cool applications from XWiki developers :p
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:31): :)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:31): showing us how to write killer applications
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:33): glerouge: what is your favorite gsoc project?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:33): well, I've got 2 answers, a fair one and an unfair one
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:33): let's see :)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:33): the unfair one: bulletin board application improvements (since I coded it in the first place)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:34): :)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:34): (disclaimer: I'm not a developer, so you should definitely not use my coding style as a reference)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:35): it has been noted :P
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:35): and the fair one?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:35): there are 2-3 of them
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:36): nooo, only one, let's say 2
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:36): :P
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:36): 3 is too much
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:36): only 1?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:36): yes
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:36): 1
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:36): :)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:36): then I would say PDF export thru OOo
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:37): it's not the most sexy one
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:37): Why that one?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:37): but if we can export PDF thru OOo we can also export any other file format OOo supports, and that would be great
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:37): get data in, get data out
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:37): sdumitriu: what about u?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:38): glerouge: Then why isn't it just "Export through OOo"?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:38): PDF export is not interesting, we already do that
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sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 14:38): Mine, I don't know
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:38): most of the others are new features, that one would be about significantly improving an existing feature building on the OOo server we already included
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:41): glerouge: what's the second one?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:41): sdumitriu: we do it poorly, using OOo to do this would improve on what we currently 
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 14:41): :)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 14:41): do
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glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:18): survey application / skype integration / dimdim integration (I know that's 3, sorry ;) )
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:21): I fancy Portlet integration and Bespin integration
marta_ - (03/04/2009 15:29): 51
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glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:38): portlet integration would be great
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glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:38): it might be compelx though
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:39): but if you want to give it a try, you're most welcome
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:39): Who?
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glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:40): alexmaru
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:41): Ah, yes
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:41): yes glerouge
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:41): oh
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:41): got it ;)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:42): we've been willing to complete portler integration for a long time
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:42): Do other wikis have this feature?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:42): but you need to be confident it's not too big for you + schedule plenty of time to complete it ;)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:42): sdumitriu: don't know
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:43): glerouge: What do you mean you don't know??! You were supposed to know!
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:43): :)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:43): How can we compete if we don't know what we're competing against?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:43): :p
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:44): Anyway, I don't think anyone does
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:44): Maybe Google sites can be used inside iGoogle
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:45): lol, I'm gonna go spank myself for a while, lemme come back ;)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:46): Anyway, let's start betting on the total number of applications we'll get
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:46): Each person gets to choose one number
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:46): sdumitriu: I think Confluence integrates portlets
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glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:47): it's not about having portlets in XWiki
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:47): it's about running XWiki inside a portlet
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:49): yes glerouge, I have not expressed myself well
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:49): http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Confluence+Portlet looks like something close, but it's not a real portlet. Looks more like an included content to me...
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glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:50): sdumitriu : I bet on 63
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:50): what was the last year number again?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:50): alexmaru : part of the work could be looking at other wikis and see what they do
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:51): JSPwiki is integrated as a portlet
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 15:51): i think 51 or 53 
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:52): yes gleroge, but sdumitriu told me this is not a good time for developing the portlet
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:52): 53 last year
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:52): because of the refactoring of core module
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:52): did he? didn't see his arguments
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:52): ok , my number is 54 :)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:52): ok
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:52): glerouge: It was on a private chat
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:53): alexmaru should learn to avoid private chats more often
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:53): But yes, the main argument was the changing core
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:53): sdumitriu: got it ;)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:53): no more private chats
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:54): Since it will touch many aspects, like the data model, the rights module, the new container and context modules
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:54): bespin integration is a nice to have, the portlet thing is more business-oriented
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:54): is this advice available for everyone? :)
cristi - (03/04/2009 15:54): this chanel seems more fun than the others :)
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:54): lol
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:54): alexmaru: You can't be accepted on two slots
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:54): cristi: We try
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:55): sdumitriu: I don't want to be accepted on two slots :)
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:55): and me? :D
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:55): alexmaru: Three then?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:55): i am refering to my question :P
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:55): :))
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:55): ancutagheorghe: What advice?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:55): Oh, about private chats?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:56): that one :))
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:56): Well, you all must learn to make the difference between what must be private and what should be public
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:56): if it's about the project should be public?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:56): Yes
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:57): for instance, asking Sergiu on a date is better on a private chat, otherwise marta_ might get angry about it ;)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 15:57): :))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:57): :))))))))))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:57): hahahhaha
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 15:57): opaaa :D
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:57): if it's related to XWiki (even remotely) talk about it here first
glerouge - (03/04/2009 15:58): if it needs to go on a private chat, someone will let you know
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:58): Btw: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/IRC/xwikiArchive20090403
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:59): Big Brother Bot is watching...
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 15:59): Say hello to xwikibot
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 16:00): and smile :))
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:00): sdumitriu: that's very useful
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:00): my power line dropped
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:00): once
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:00): and Ludovic was telling me something
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:01): found it on the chat archive ;)
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 16:01): going to eat ! bye for now !
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:01): bye
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:01): bye
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:02): is it true google is planning to buy XWiki?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:03): cristi: No, that was april 1st
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:03): http://blogs.atlassian.com/developer/2007/02/portlets_and_confluence.html
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:04): oh, that would have been something
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:04): Confluence has some portlets that do various things with a confluence site
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:04): But it doesn't fully work as a portlet
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:04): well, if XWiki had bought Google, that would have been something ;)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:04): http://mholakovsky.blogspot.com/2009/03/jsr-168-and-jspwiki.html
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:04): Cool idea: make each panel be displayed as a portlet
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:05): Oh, so JSPWiki does that
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:05): Good for them
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:05): Now we know we have some competition
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:05): yes
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:06): u subestimated the competition 
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:06): glerouge: and we would have a 2010 XWiki summer of code, huh?
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:07): :))
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:07): glerouge: and no more "googled", time for "XWikied"
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:07): more slot for XWiki ;)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:07): all the slots for XWiki
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:07): 1000
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:07): yay
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:07): :D
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:08): That's new: http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/XoWiki
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:10): alexmaru: We can't support 1000 slots
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:10): Not unless we have 1000 mentors
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:10): lol
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:11): I think I can assume up to 347 students on a given day
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:11): if you plan to buy google you would have
asyd - (03/04/2009 16:11): ahah
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:11): :))
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:12): let's focus on beating other wiki platform first
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:12): cristi: if you can lend us a couple tens of thousand billions we canb buy Google right away ;)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:12): then buying google and conquer the world
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:12): let me first go buy a printer
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:13): :)
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:14): glerouge: of course I can lend you the money
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:16): I think in zambia bread costs 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollar  
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:16): lol
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:16): *in Zimbabwe
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:18): sdumitriu: do you think the portlet is hard to implement?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:18): Itself no, but it's hard to integrate with the existing deprecated dependencies
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:18): I'm already trying to implement a portlet in JBoss Portal and Richfaces
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:19): "As of November 2008, unofficial figures put Zimbabwe's annual inflation rate at 516 quintillion per cent, with prices doubling every 1.3 days"
asyd - (03/04/2009 16:20): urf
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:20): :))
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:23): that's a lot of math to do each day
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:29): a lot of bills to print too
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:30): corporate clients are more important than simple XWiki users, right?
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sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:32): alexmaru: It depends who you ask
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:32): I for one prefer the users
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:36): it's a good thing that it attracts both simple users and corporates
cristi - (03/04/2009 16:36): hmm, oana a uitat degetul pe buton
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 16:36): sdumitriu, done with the updates that you suggested for my proposal 
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 16:36): :)))
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:37): oana saves very often :P
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:38): but that's a good thing with all the power drops :(
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:46): sdumitriu: why doesn't XWiki keep a closer look on other Wiki platforms?
asyd - (03/04/2009 16:47): cause all wiki sux ;p
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:47): and why it doesn't develop a strategy to beat them at every level
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asyd - (03/04/2009 16:47): (remember, it's friday. it's troll day)
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:47): like u beat them at WYSIWYG level
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:47): alexmaru: Mostly lack of time
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:48): sdumitriu: but I think it's important
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:48): Yes, it is
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:49): you can steal good ideas from others, and make them better
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:50): We don't have time to finish the ideas we already have...
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:50): We need a larger developer community
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:51): That's why I hope that this year all the SoC-ers will keep contributing
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:51): alexmaru: we do keep a loose track of other platforms
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:51): and we already have much to do... we can't build everything
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:52): for instance right now most of our resources are on making the WYSIWYG better than other wiki's editor
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 16:52): okay glerouge, I understand
glerouge - (03/04/2009 16:52): since we identified it as a core thing we neededto have
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 16:56): Foswiki does that a bit: http://foswiki.org/Community/WikiWatch
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:04): sdumitriu: interesting
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:09): but they don't concentrate on ideas that were very successful for others and deserve to be adopted
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sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:15): Let's take a round number, I predict 64
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:16): ancutagheorghe: You lost already
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:16): how many are now?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:16): :))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:16): do i get another chance?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:16): 55
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:16): I'll go for 61
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:16): please please :))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:16): pretty please ))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:17): i'll change to 63 :d
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:17): To show you my great kindness and awesomeness, I allow you to select a new number
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:17): thank you master =))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:17): so it's 63
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:19): Hey everybody, take your guess
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:19): can't we have a prize? like a t-shirt with XWiki logo?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:20): I guess we can
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:20): An "Enlarge your Wiki" one
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:20): anaaa take a guess
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:20): the final number of apps
anamariastoica - (03/04/2009 17:20): hmm, let's see 54 ? :p
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 17:20): :) 60
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 17:20): ?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:20): there are already 55
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 17:21): 69 :D
anamariastoica - (03/04/2009 17:21): ups :p 58 then :)
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:21): so we already habe 60 61 63 and 64 .. anyone for 62?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:21): have*
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:24): cristi: Aren't you interested in GSoC?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:26): 55 is also a valid number, assuming nobody else applies
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:27): yes, that's what I was thinking of
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:27): maybe nobody else applies, and nobody gets the t-shirt :(
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:28): or maybe nobody wins and we all make ourselves a XWiki t-shirt :P
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:30): the XWiki twitter account promised XWiki t-shirts to everyone who sends an email asking for one
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:30): but i never got mine :(
anamariastoica - (03/04/2009 17:30): free t-shirts :D ?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:30): alexmaru: Are you sure?
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 17:31): maybe it was 1st April :P
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:31): hahahah :))
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:31): lol
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:32): let me search the status
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:32): sdumitriu :whats the count now.??
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:33): sdumitriu: I can't find the status, but I'm sure of this
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alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:34): found it
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sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:35): 56
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:35): http://twitter.com/XWiki/status/873753752
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:35): http://twitter.com/XWiki/status/873804039
alexmaru - (03/04/2009 17:36): If u get accepted to GSOC do you get a XWiki t-shirt? 
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:36): are there more than 7 candidates for the anti vandalism filters project now?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:37): Oh, sure there are
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ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:37): how many
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:37): ?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:37): Last time I checked there were 9
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:37): Let me count
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ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:39): ok
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:41): Still 9
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:41): alexmaru: yes, you're right, we still need to send the t shirts, thanks for the reminder
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:41): sdumitriu : How many for Google Docs Integration. !!!
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:41): we've been too busy... sorry about that
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:42): good !i'm still  optimistic :D
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:42): arunreddy_: 2
anamariastoica - (03/04/2009 17:42): glerouge: is the offer still available :) ?
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:43): sdumitriu : Thanks.
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:43): well, sure, but last time we promised we never had the time to send them
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:43): I'll push internally so that someone takes the time to do it
anamariastoica - (03/04/2009 17:43): :)) ok
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:43): :))
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 17:45): :) sounds good
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:45): now many hours 'til deadline?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:45): how*
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 17:46): after the deadline can we modify the proposal?
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 17:46): 3 hrs 13 mins
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:46): cristinaS : yes
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:46): thanks 
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 17:47): great , thanks
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:48): :)
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:48): ancutagheorghe:http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:50): oh yes yes, marta_ also gave me this link yesterday .. thanks !
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:52): Bad news: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/04/hadopi-law-passed-by-12-votes-to-4.html
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:53): wow
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:53): actually it ain't that bad
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:53): since now we know whether we risk to be prosecuted before we are
glerouge - (03/04/2009 17:53): and we can take corrective measures :)
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:54): what is internet law.!!!
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:55): No more P2P
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:56): They'll watch if users transfer copyrighted files, and send notices to stop doing that
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:56): After 3 notices, you are banned from ever using the internet
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:56): ISPs must not sign contracts to banned persons
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:57): Big Brother is watching?
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 17:58): whoa!? I heard 2 guys in Sweden got busted today for file sharing
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:58): No, Big Brother is watching legally
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:58): Btw, this is in .eu
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 17:59): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 17:59): sad..!! 
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:59): we will create out own open source music and movies from now on :))))
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 17:59): our*
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 18:00): yup, australia is next on the list... :( 
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:00): i should def. pay more attention while typing :D
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 18:00): didn't radiohead do that? pay whatever you like ?
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 18:00): and they earned more than expected?
glerouge - (03/04/2009 18:01): well, in France it's not exactly that, you get banned for 3 months first
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:01): The problem is that this kind of laws don't affect artist in a positive way, on the contrary
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:01): how come? if you can't steal their music .. there are more chances for you to buy it 
EnderMB - (03/04/2009 18:02): Hey all. If I'm looking to send an application to XWiki for the GSoc do I just email the ideas sheet or is there more to it? I'm a bit confused as to what Google actually want students to do.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:02): A nasty truth is that artists are hired as workers, so the company holds the copyright
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:02): BigMedia gets most of the money
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:02): Small labels are nicer to artists, but aren't as popular
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:03): really?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:03): BigMedia is popular because they have large distribution networks
glerouge - (03/04/2009 18:03): EnderMB you need to go to sochop.appspot.com
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:03): what about concerts? the same?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:03): They afford to have CDs in every music store on earth
glerouge - (03/04/2009 18:03): EnderMB http://socghop.appspot.com/org/list_proposals/google/gsoc2009/xwiki actually
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:03): EnderMB: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_studentapply
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:03): Doing worldwide retail distribution is impossible for a small company
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:04): But internet distribution is way cheaper
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:04): And this is why BigMedia is against internet
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:04): yes i understand
EnderMB - (03/04/2009 18:04): Thanks for the links.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:04): If they don't have the CD monopoly, they lose their main advantage
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:04): true
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:05): oh .. i want a U2 concert in romania ... mhm ..
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:06): :)) z3r0
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:07): if they make good music .. it's their right :P
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 18:07): but if i was making a million dollars, i wouldnt mind if a self funding university student heard my songs for free.. :)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:08): Make that 50 millions, and you would
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:08): there is not only one student
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:08): I don't believe in "piracy"
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:09): We don't steal anything
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:09): and definitely NOT only student know about piracy
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:09): We chose to pay the right price
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:09): sutndets*
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:09): oh man .. i should stop typing today :)))
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:09): Of the price you pay for a CD, usually less than 10 percent actually goes to the artist
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:09): BigMedia does much less
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:10): And I don't like buying plastic
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 18:10): interesting, but seriously, how much money do these companies need?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:10): All of them?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:10): internet is the enemy for many things ...
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:10): The more the better
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:10): but our friend :D
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:11): Digital distribution has so many advantages
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:11): For ears audiophiles complained that CDs don't provide the same quality as analog media
z3r0 - (03/04/2009 18:12): that greed ruins it, i've seen some really good local bands who practice part time to support themselves, and then there are skinny 16 yr olds getting breaks just because the companies can earn more off them
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:12): Switching to 24 bits, 96kHz, 5.1 music is easy with flac
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:13): offtopic: how many students  applied for XOO? (I didn't ask till now, but I'm really curious)
florinciu - (03/04/2009 18:14): 2
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:14): cristinaS: actually, you are on topic
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:14): the ongoing discussion is off
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:14): :)
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:15): :) 
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:15): :))))
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:15): florinciu: btw I made a small extension for OO .. I've attached it at my Xwiki profile
florinciu - (03/04/2009 18:16): cristinaS: I see you started having some activity on the OOo mailing lists( http://www.nabble.com/OO-Writer-Extension-td22848357.html ) .This is a big plus :)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:17): florinciu, cristinaS: 3 now
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:17): Oh, my bad, 2
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:17): :) 
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:17): sounds better 2
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:18): 57
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:18): yes.. I didn't find the documentation about that events I thought it is better to ask someone
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:18): don't we also count the ineligible ones?
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:18): the oo is very active too
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:19): are also ineligible students aplying?
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:20): we see 3 lists: new apps, apps under review, ineligible apps
florinciu - (03/04/2009 18:20): actually there is one ineligible application whici is created by you when you somehow duplicated the initial application
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:20): for some reason, we have 2 from you, one of them is in the ineligible
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:21): florinciu: How does XWord handle conflicts?
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:22): Or: does it?
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:23): so , I duplicated the inintial application .. strange ..
florinciu - (03/04/2009 18:23): roght now it doesn't. it will have conflict resolution(using the merge documents UI from Word), but that is to be implemented in 1.1 or 1.2
florinciu - (03/04/2009 18:23): *right now
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:23): K
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:24): I hope that the big guys will agree with XOO...
florinciu - (03/04/2009 18:24): so do I
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:25): me 3
cristinaS - (03/04/2009 18:25): me 4 :)
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:25): who will choose the projects and the students for them?
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 18:25): Hello, can someone please help me determine why I'm getting the following error in xWiki 1.8: "ERROR: YAHOO is not defined".  I see this error in my FF Error Console when trying to view my xwiki.Drillingtreeview document.  It is a modified version of xwiki.treeview that only shows documents in the Drilling space I've created.
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:27): you probably broke the javascript
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 18:27): It works fine in the 1.7.2 version that I've migrated from
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:27): One thing is that the location for js/css files has changed
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 18:27): ah
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:28): Do you pull the yui library using $jsx.use?
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 18:28): No.  I'm looking at that right now in the release notes.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:28): (another change is that some libraries which were always used now need to be pulled when needed)
mikeyfreake - (03/04/2009 18:30): I'm looking at the 1.8 version of Treeview and see the use statements.  I'll just modify this new version to display the documents I want.  Thanks.
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:31): Glad to help
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:33): so, who will choose the projects and the students for them? :D
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:35): The XWiki community
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:35): In a weighted vote
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:35): thanks :)
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:35): Ludovic has 52% of the votes
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:35): oki :)
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:36): thanks
sdumitriu - (03/04/2009 18:36): Bonus: who can make a nice XWiki application which can be used for voting on the projects?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:37): in what amount of time?
ancutagheorghe - (03/04/2009 18:37): for this year?
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:37): sdumitriu : time..?
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:39): http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Applications/PollsApplication -- ??
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:40): arunreddy_: that's something that done in one afternoon, basically for this purpose
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:41): so it's not so good
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:41): ok
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:41): it would need some ajax, to reduce the chance of voters to overwrite other votes
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:42): marta_ : synchronization problems. ?
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:42): an easier way to create the options, cause right now if you have 57 options, it will take forever to put them all
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:43): and obviously a nicer UI
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:43): thats true
marta_ - (03/04/2009 18:44): arunreddy_: the problem is that several people edit the same document at the same time, and this is not handled very well right now
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:44): ok
arunreddy_ - (03/04/2009 18:44): one doubt.. wheres the data stored.. ?